AlexKellyOC today mentioned the idea of a world without men, and that scientists are working to make it possible. It’s an interesting subject. In 2011, Prof. Karim Nayernia at Newcastle University succeeded in creating ‘primitive sperm cells with female embryonic stem cells’ (see Prof Karim Nayernia:Sperm cells created from female embryo):
It raises the possibility of lesbian couples one day having children who share both their genes as sperm created from the bone marrow of one woman could be used to fertilise an egg from her partner.
Yes. Soon the only need the world will have for men is to open jars.
But what would a world without men really be like?
Recently I reviewed Alana Munro’s Women Behaving Badly, which discusses how women are trained from birth to be ‘nice’:
As a result of this gender conditioning, girls learn to conceal, manipulate and keep the peace a lot quicker than their male counterparts.
In a world without men, such gender divisions would become irrelevant. There wouldn’t be so much pressure on women to be passive, pretty, perfect princesses waiting to be chosen by a man. That same pressure that makes shaming such an effective weapon for controlling women. Nine Deuce (Rage Against the Man-chine) says it better:
But if you take patriarchy out of the equation, if you take the whole gender divide out of the equation, then just imagine the possibilities.
There would, of course, be cultural variations, different systems of morality, religious beliefs, the usual political interference, but all of that is cosmetic. More fundamentally, you would have those women who are attracted to women, and those women who are not.
A significant proportion of women would not be able to form romantic attachments with or experience sexual desire for another woman. They would still feel loneliness but would seek out friendship rather than romance, and their sexual needs would be satisfied through masturbation.
I’m being very binary here for simplicity. I’m just wondering about a society divided into those who can fall in love, and those who can’t.
Firstly, you are very brave man to confront such issues 😉
I think we should look at lesbian communities to see what the world will be like without men. It’s not all peace and love there, and I’m not talking about the stress of homophobia.
Also, if men were eliminated and became only a memory, I would think all women will lesbians because there is nothing else to consider as a sex and/or life partner.
I agree – it wouldn’t be all peace and love. But the idea ‘you are a girl and there is only one correct and respectable way to behave’ would be gone.
I don’t agree that all women would be lesbians, though. I think a lot of women who aren’t lesbians would be willing to explore lesbian love, and you might find that the percentage of population that find women sexually attractive would be high, but I believe there would be a lot of woman who nevertheless would find the whole concept of attraction to be quite bizarre.
I suspect also that our sexual orientation is more fluid than our romantic orientation.
When you say “our sexual orientation is more fluid than our romantic orientation” – you’re not including men, are you? Because they are not as fluid as women, whether by biology or society (I think it’s society because in Ancient Greece, it was the norm for men to be bisexual).
There has long been a perception that penetration and ejaculation define sex, and therefore that women getting together is a harmless aberration, whereas men getting together is a crime against nature. The weight of history has created a strong psychological barrier in the male mind to same-sex discovery and experimentation. There are and have been cultures where this barrier isn’t so strong, and perhaps Ancient Greece is a case.
There’s a huge difference between sex for pleasure and sex as part of a romantic relationship. Consider:
1. Your best (girl-)friend says to you one day, ‘Hey M., my boyfriend has this fantasy about the two of us together. What do you say we give him a birthday he’ll never forget…’
2. Your best (girl-)friend says to you one day, ‘Hey M., I need to tell you something, and please don’t hate me. I haven’t even wanted to admit this to myself… I’m bi. I – I love you.’
Which (and I’m not looking for an answer!) scenario is more likely to lead to the two of you having sex?
Male or female, the sexual animal will evolve. A world of men where M/M sex is normal, is no different really to a world of women where F/F sex is normal – the significant difference is one of reproduction, which women can do far more naturally.
But the act of sex – however pleasurable – doesn’t imply sexual attraction, and certainly doesn’t imply love.